Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
You joke, but McDonald’s with Kid Play Areas are my coffee hangout spot now. Kids get to play and have fun, I get to have my coffee. Win win
There are 2 McDonalds in Torrance that have play areas.
Lufthansa 747 balked landing at LAX
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You joke, but McDonald’s with Kid Play Areas are my coffee hangout spot now. Kids get to play and have fun, I get to have my coffee. Win win
There are 2 McDonalds in Torrance that have play areas.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Dude, you love Sbarros…
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Whatever I paid for my vasectomy, I’d gladly pay double.
Best airplane I've ever flown. Outstanding in every category.
ERfly
Well-Known Member
I will say, the Other Color does a great job in initial training making you feel SOMEWHAT comfortable landing her. You should never feel totally comfortable on ANY landing in her (if you do, bid off NOW!). They did so much research and studies after NRT that they have it literally down to a science. The 3 Rules To Live By (MD-11 Landing Rules) are everywhere. Plus, every landing generates a printout to show you your stats on the touchdown. It's beyond slick.If you do this flying gig long enough you will experience a “ahhh..•” landing or two as the PF or PM. Goes with the territory. Most of the time it was just a blow to your ego and you were forced to buy the beer that night. My first exposure to being an OE instructor was on the A300 when we first started receiving them in early 2000 era. We were hiring at the time and some of our new hires had come from turboprops which meant this was there first jet. I was sympathetic to that since I came from that background. The learning curve was steep but most did fine.
I had one student (f/o) who had been doing great all week while we flew morning out and backs (turns). The last day was a straight-in visual to 35L at SDF in CAVU conditions. The student was riding the G/S about a half a dot high all the way down (no biggie but a debrief item). By this time I had been lulled into a false sense of security, since the student had been doing so well, combine that with general all night flying fatigue. About 1/4 mile from touchdown the student decided to correct for this half a dot high situation by aggressively shoving the nose over. I remember a flash of the VVI needle quickly dropping to a place I’ve never seen that close to the ground. I grabbed the controls and quickly firewalled the thrust levers and tried to raise the nose to a normal flare attitude but knew we were gonna hit…hard. We did…and bounced pretty high. All kinds of alarms started going off in the cockpit as I waited for the engines to spool back up. We came back down and bounced a second time. Just as the x-wind was pushing us off the side of the runway, the engines finally spooled and we went around. About 800’ ft the tower asked us if everything was ok as they saw a rooster tail of dirt and grass after the second bounce just as the engines got to full power. I replied that I thought so and they cleared us for the visual back to a normal landing. The f/o was profusely apologizing and I remember my legs were shaking as we taxied off the runway. Talk about an adrenaline rush going from being half asleep to feeling like you’re running for your life in a split second. Fortunately, no damage was done except for egos and lesson learned for both of us. I NEVER let my guard down after that until we were safely parked at the gate. The student learned to be on glideslope and, most importantly, never shove the nose over in a big jet that close to the ground or you’ll setup a dangerous sink rate you might not be able to recover from.
Second time (literally a few months before I retired), MD11 going into PHL. Frontal passage, nighttime with wildly gusty winds, wet rwy with rain showers moving out. It’s was gonna test my limits and skills (as shaky as they are), let alone a new f/o.. Was the f/o’s leg (we were suppose to arrive well before the front but ATC delays changed that and it was gonna be close). 3/4 the way to PHL the front passes...crap! Wind gust to well over 40kts. I asked the f/o if he was comfortable with the landing in those conditions and I definitely needed his “A” game tonight. He was pretty new and prior background was military C130’s. He said he was good to go….he really wasn’t. Sometimes you don’t know what you don’t know.
It was rough…turbulence was very…VERY moderate (*wink*). Airspeed was basically dollar cost averaging at best. The MD can be a beast. The f/o was actually doing a pretty good job coming down the ILS. As many know, the MD11 can be very sensitive to ummmm….landings. We had 2 office personnel sitting in the back jumpseats and I could hear them gasp every so often as the turbulence picked up. I had warned them it was gonna be a little rough. I was in go-around mode the whole way down but was willing to see how conditions were as we got closer to the rwy. Like I said, the f/o was doing an admirable job staying on the ILS and augmenting the autothrottles. At around 100ft I quickly noticed he was trending a dot high on the g/s and increasing (probably went 100% outside cues). I said, “Don’t get high…”. A second later I heard the thrust levers slam back to idle…uuggghhhh, Noooo! Maybe a C130 turboprop technique but something you NEVER want to do in a big jet…especially one as quirky and temperamental as the MD11. As I felt the bottom begin to drop out I took the controls and slammed the throttles full forward through the overboost bar. We hit hard…and I had visions of the FedEx MD11 flipping over at EWR.
Fortunately we were light, the engines spooled fast and we were off and running without touching down a second time..which would’ve been very bad. I flew the next approach and was probably the toughest I’ve ever experienced in the MD. The next couple of hours we watched every other aircraft go around and many diverting afterward. My fault for allowing a relatively inexperienced f/o attempt that the first time. I told him he had done an admirable job in very tough conditions. The screaming from the jumpseaters didn’t help him. Probably should’ve diverted but decided to attempt Fate one more time. Taxing in my thoughts were…I’m getting too old for this •
Ya’ll be careful out there!
It's being migrated to other fleets now. And, if you can believe this, pilots who have never flown the MD are mocking it. As silly as it is to brief flare height in a 767 (hint: it's almost always 25'), the awareness is a good thing. Plus, it's making everyone aware of the 3 Rules:
1. Don't flare late.
2. Don't use excessive control column inputs during the flare.
3. Use extreme caution when pushing forward on the control column close to the ground.
I loved (and still love) that airplane and I'm grateful for my time in her! I just couldn't take the degrading bid pack. The rest of the stuff is just Douglas things.
Boris Badenov
This is no laughing matter.
The Russian Judge is downgrading it on the "landing" category, but who am I to argue?
ERfly
Well-Known Member
The sense of accomplishment when you have a good landing in her is a feeling I have no words to describe!
I still have the landing score card printout on my fridge from my last MD landing it was so good! (empty with an extremely aft CG...a handful in that situation)
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
How’s the bunk?
Better than a BCF
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Yes!
But am open to try anything that isn’t a pig product. If it’s something exotic, I just ask at least ~16 hrs prior to next report time. Just in case it doesn’t mesh well with the insides.
Yes!
But am open to try anything that isn’t a pig product. If it’s something exotic, I just ask at least ~16 hrs prior to next report time. Just in case it doesn’t mesh well with the insides.
Simple Sbarro’s cheese pizza. Maybe with green peppers.
Skåning
Well-Known Member
Did you pay per ball or is it a package deal?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
They are one of the few types of places that always has some kind of two for one deal going on.
scooter2525
Very well Member
PROF
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
One vote for reversing the procedure and producing a mini you.
+1
Today I went to Chuck E Cheese with the kids. Kids allow you to bring out your own inner kid.
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FLORENCE Y'ALL
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I'm not on the line yet
scooter2525
Very well Member
That water tower cracks me up.
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
LOL the commentary. "Holy Moley!". I hate this streaming crap sometimes, the ticker/info and autistic G rated commentary are way too much. Plus it's funny how these people who say the most rarely know much about what they're talking about, mostly useless diarrhea of the mouth. Sheesh.
