New 1500 hour rule and ATP

AA34

AA34

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Curious to see what ATP does after details were released yesterday regarding new 1500 hour rule. I'm assuming that their partnership in the four year degree program will be the only way to get the reduced mins to 1000 hours?
 
Yeah- Maybe someone can help me understand the new ATP rule, more accurately HR5900...

I have been looking everywhere as I am sure there are threads on this, (and people who will say "There are threads on this!") but I can't find it written where it goes into effect?

36 months from Aug, 10, 2010? Is that right? It is not clear to me in the bill itself.

I am interested in trying to get hired before the bill goes into effect. Currently I have 500TT so I might be cutting it CLOSE!
 
I have a buddy that went there and has just over 500 hours. He seems to be 100% sure that he can get hired into an RJ with his training he received there and the agreements ATP has with some carriers.

With training programs backed up months right now I don't see how that's going to work out getting to 1500 hours before August next year. I keep hearing of pilot pools being backed up 8 or 9 months. My recent interview was full of guys with line turbine experience. I think if I had low time I would take whatever job gave me the most hours the quickest.
 
brian434 said:
My recent interview was full of guys with line turbine experience. I think if I had low time I would take whatever job gave me the most hours the quickest.
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Naw, I would take the job that gave me the most enjoyment. Hours will come, no need to build hours fast for a cruddy company.

P.S. Congrats on the airline gig.
 
joe.wyo said:
Yeah- Maybe someone can help me understand the new ATP rule, more accurately HR5900...

I have been looking everywhere as I am sure there are threads on this, (and people who will say "There are threads on this!") but I can't find it written where it goes into effect?

36 months from Aug, 10, 2010? Is that right? It is not clear to me in the bill itself.

I am interested in trying to get hired before the bill goes into effect. Currently I have 500TT so I might be cutting it CLOSE!
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Unless you happen to be current part 121 right now, you're going to face an uphill battle.

HR5900 requires the FAA to draft and enact regulations that require each SIC engaged in Part 121 flying to have an ATP and type rating on or before August 1, 2013. The minimum number of flight hours for the ATP remains 1,500 unless you are a graduate of an approved aviation program (grumble). The NPRM that the FAA put out that implements this Congressional mandate makes significant changes to the Airline Transport Pilot - Airplane Multiengine Land rating as well that will make it a much more difficult rating to obtain. You can read the NPRM in its entirety here in the Federal Register.
 
Jet said:
I thought there wasn't a grandfather clause? I'm still facing an uphill battle!
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There isn't. There should be, because (at least where we work(ed) although certain other "airlines" might vary) the training program is a full type minus the standby power/no flap landing anyway.

The recruiters I've talked to are largely exercising caution in hiring anyone without an ATP right now mostly because they really don't know what the FAA is going to do.
 
Just wanted to confirm - the 1500 Hour Requirement for ATP is for both part 61 and 141 correct? I don't believe it matters where you get your ATP (141 or 61 school) you need to have 1500 TT to even take the ATP correct?
 
Jonathanf4 said:
Just wanted to confirm - the 1500 Hour Requirement for ATP is for both part 61 and 141 correct? I don't believe it matters where you get your ATP (141 or 61 school) you need to have 1500 TT to even take the ATP correct?
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There are a few carveouts but generally yes.
 
I didn't think there was anything in there that allowed ATP (the school) to get their guys and gals hired with lower mins.
 
brian434 said:
I didn't think there was anything in there that allowed ATP (the school) to get their guys and gals hired with lower mins.
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I don't think they specified any schools, just said "approved university aviation degree programs". So it is possible ATP, through their Mountain State connection, could get approval. However, then you would lose the fast track as it needs to be 4 year degree I believe. Also, the price would have to go way up as it wouldn't just be ratings but also a degree you need to finance.

They most likely will just keep going as they are, using their guaranteed instructor position promise as the hook and maybe include an approved ATP course when you reach 1500 hours so you can then apply to an airline with a frozen ATP. Still much quicker than 4 years for those in a rush.
 
brian434 said:
He seems to be 100% sure that he can get hired into an RJ with his training he received there and the agreements ATP has with some carriers.
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:bounce:

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grandfathered in? , nothing *personal* against the people in the 121 environment who don't have 1500 hours, but you applied and the company hired you all ready knowing the facts and the timeline. I hope you all make it.
 
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